Break-up Letter to the Hebrew Roots Movement

big-newsWhen we started TB, our goal was to be a light to those coming out of Mainstream Christianity and coming into the Hebrew Roots!  Our desire was and continues to be to reach people with the truth in a world full of lies and half-truths.


Over the years we have grown, and many of you have grown with us, and the number of people in the Hebrew Roots Movement (HRM) has grown!  Many of these people are kind, loving, and compassionate, but as is par for the course, the minority set the mood, control the narrative, and get their way!  This minority in the HRM are a cancer, and they are killing the movement from the inside.  We fear that the damage done already is too great to correct and that the HRM will eventually implode and die.  None of us have it all right, but this minority in the HRM have no love in them.  They are more concerned with being right and proving others wrong than they are with our true biblical mandate, to show others the love and compassion of our Father, as beings created in His image should.


Unfortunately, the actions of this minority have given the HRM a bad name.  Instead of being known as the group of people who are loving and kind that keep the commandments we are often viewed as the angry, judgmental group that is quick to condemn anyone who does not see things our way.  We are supposed to be judged by the fruit we produce and the fruit coming from the HRM is rotten.  People on the outside should look at us and see people who are gentle, kind, slow to anger, helping the poor and the widow, but instead, they see people fighting amongst themselves and condemning those on the outside who don’t see things our way.  Why would anyone want to be associated with the HRM when the fruit that is produced is rotten?


Yes, there are exceptions to the rule, there are good people in this movement, but from the outside looking in, and from our view on the inside, for the most part, the HRM is a raging out of control wildfire.  This presents a major problem for our mission and the reasons we started TB.  It is extremely hard, if not impossible, to be a light in the midst of the raging wildfire that is the HRM.


We hope we are wrong and that the HRM can purge itself of the minority that is bringing it down, but as a ministry, we cannot, in good conscious, remain on a ship that we feel is doomed to sink.  We can no longer associate with the HRM due to the negativity that surrounds it.  This change will require us to shift gears in certain areas.  If your focus is so much on the mechanics of the commandments and it leads you to walk with no compassion towards others, and in arrogance, then Torah Babies isn’t the place for you.  We are prepared for people to no longer follow us and we also realize that some people will take our actions as returning to Mainstream Christianity, even though this is not the case at all.


We have to separate the wheat from the tares, so going forward, we will no longer put up with any negative comments about Christians, Jews, Messianics, Christianity or Judaism.  If your idea of bringing the truth to others is by being negative and shaming them for not seeing things your way, then your values and approach are not in line with the mission of this ministry, and, no offense but, we don’t want you around.  If your focus is on arguing over how to spell or pronounce the names, the mechanics of how and when to observe the Sabbath day or any of the other stupid fruitless arguments that are prevalent in the HRM, then Torah Babies is not for you.


There is a right way and a wrong way to discuss things in a digital setting.  Contrary to popular belief your typing can have a tone to it!  Be respectful and don’t come on our Page to shame us or anyone else.  Anyone who chooses the wrong way will be immediately BANNED from the page, no questions asked!  We are not always going to agree on everything, but we must all respect each other.  If you disagree with us, you are not going to change our minds by shaming us and implying that we don’t have the truth or that we are not teaching the truth!  Fruitful discussions are desired, but as soon as the tone changes and it turns into a debate, we will start banning people, no questions asked!  We have an obligation to keep the threads on our Page edifying for everyone, so at times we will shut down a discussion on a public thread and take it to private message.  Some issues are better discussed one on one.  If you cannot respect that, then we will take the necessary steps to ensure that comments remain edifying.  This can include deleting comments or banning people.


We hope everyone understands, but we can no longer entertain HR people who only want to debate and argue.  This takes us away from reaching people who have a desire to learn the truth in a loving, compassionate way.  Our goal is to be a light that draws in people who have a desire to learn, not to debate people over their own personal theology.  It has become clear that we cannot achieve our goal or purpose as a ministry if we are associated with the HRM.



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Posted on December 4, 2016 in General Topic

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Our Ministry is based on 1 Peter 2:2. We want to provide the 'milk' that people new to Torah need by offering easy to read and understand teachings that the Torah "Babies" struggle with most. Please don't be offended by being called "Babies," that includes us as well. If we're being honest with each other and ourselves, we are all Torah Babies and will be until Y'shua returns to teach us. Shalom!

Responses (17)

    December 4, 2016 at 8:37 pm · Reply

    GOOD FOR YOU, Torah Babies!! Proud of you standing up for UNITY, one people, in Y’shua!

  2. LaLonnir
    December 4, 2016 at 8:57 pm · Reply

    I am exhaling! Thank/you

  3. Abbie Bullard
    December 4, 2016 at 8:58 pm · Reply

    Your kindness and compassion are what drew me to your ministry in the first place! So many other groups just spewed self righteousness and didn’t allow for understanding, or difference of opinion, which ironically is one of the reasons we left main stream church in the first place. So thank you for being kind, thank you for extending grace on hot subjects like Christmas, Sabbath, and the like. You’ve been a gentle river of refreshing water to me the last 9 months, I am thankful you’ll still be around to bring understanding and refreshment. Blessings to you! Shalom!

  4. Joseph
    December 4, 2016 at 11:06 pm · Reply

    I dont think i have seen your ministry before. Followed a link to this post. I am new to Torah myself. To be honest i am glad i saw this statement first instead of what you have described as going on. I sincerely applaud you for doing this. The very last thing i need is to see arguments and debates about things. Coming out of modern Christianity i have learned one thing, i am over the debates and the back and forth arguments. Also the tolerance of unbiblical practices and worship methods. My heart for so many years has been drawn to Torah and the desire to keep the biblical Holy days and feasts. Yet, i am High Fuctioning Autistic and couldn’t find the right key to unlock the door to come to Torah. Finally it happened.

    However, i know to be careful to whom i listen. I want to learn however, i understand that I am Autistic and can be duped very easy. It took a long time and very painful process to figure out. The fruit of The Spirit does not cause contentions and it takes me extra time to figure things out. I have tons of questions to ask, most of them might seem stupid to most. However, i dont want to be any wont be berated for them. Therefore i stay out of most discussions.

    With all that being said, i was thinking when I was reading your statement. That the Apostle Paul and the first century church had the same thing happen to them. They had to stop it too. It was not easy either. So you really are in good company and i believe doing the biblical thing. You are to create a safe environment for people like me to learn and grow in truth. Where we can ask a bunch of stupid questions and think through things. I will always test anything taught to me. I dont want someone telling me nice things just because i am new to Torah or that I am Autistic either. I want the truth, i want to be tsught, and corrected. I want things explsined to me even if it is difficult for me to understand. The last thing I need is someone arguing and debating with me or others confusing the issues and making it harder to understand or creating a burden i am not ready for.
    So, thanks. I think i will be coming back to learn more from you guys. Hopefully i will be able to trust the information i recieve. It sounds like you are really interested in being trustworthy for beginners like me.

  5. Melissa Berger
    December 4, 2016 at 11:10 pm · Reply

    Bravo! “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” Matthew 7:20

  6. Fay Bright
    December 5, 2016 at 12:56 am · Reply


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  8. Deirdre Cline
    December 5, 2016 at 3:16 am · Reply

    let there be shalom! ?

  9. rdpfisherlady
    December 5, 2016 at 4:58 am · Reply

    Great post and I agree

  10. Laurie Race
    December 5, 2016 at 10:33 am · Reply

    Our family no longer refers to ourselves as following Hebrew Roots or being Messianic for this very reason. We tell those who ask that we are Torah Observant followers of Yahweh that believe in Yeshua.

  11. Mary Jo Weston
    December 5, 2016 at 12:54 pm · Reply

    Thank you…a soft place to land. I have, over the course of the last several weeks, have stayed out of various fb group discussions for just that reason. Sadly, I felt unease in my spirit because of it. Thank you for your stand and gentle voice.

  12. Arnie Litchfield
    December 6, 2016 at 6:22 am · Reply

    Thank you for your stand TB. My family has been “walking this walk” for 2 years now and have been blessed by the truth we now see. Unfortunately, we also recognized the dissension amongst many who were supposably following the whole word, giving the impression that they were now in full knowledge of the word and criticizing those who don’t “see” it. That realization was quite shocking to me and my family, to say the least.
    My family just recently found your ministry and are excited about learning with you, especially knowing your message is love.
    Shalom my friends

  13. George Horn
    December 9, 2016 at 10:23 pm · Reply

    The way I see things is this way, If a person has a “personal theology” that causes other people to question their walk and beliefs, then this so-called theology is not of G-d. It’s of man and has no place in the discussion of the Torah. To those who want to argue and be prideful, you need to remember that this not the way of our Lord. It is not the way to walk. We walk in Ruach, and we walk in His Grace and not our own understanding. I love the Torah and I love the Lord. It disturbs me that there are people that feel that they have to be so high-minded. The way that I see it is this way. Those that cause babes to stumble and question their faith, will be judged accordingly. Remember, pride comes before the fall.

  14. Dixbell Force
    January 20, 2017 at 7:23 am · Reply

    This is refreshing. Thank you so much!

  15. Katherine Perry
    January 24, 2017 at 7:38 pm · Reply

    I followed a link to your site. I love it. I am Jewish but looking into Messianic for personal reasons. I think Torah Babies is refreshing and I’ve already followed your reasoning on cheeseburgers, etc. Look forward to learning more.

  16. Nancy Green
    February 14, 2017 at 2:30 pm · Reply

    I have seen and experienced the exact behavior you discuss in this article and find it deeply troubling and have considered walking away from Torah because you just don’t see YVHV in what they are displaying and Yeshua is de-emphasized and their personal behavior is exalted above anything else. Troubling indeed.

  17. Paul C Moore
    June 13, 2017 at 8:59 pm · Reply

    Hi, I struggled when I came out of mainstream religion. I was very angry about some of the things that I had been taught. Lately, with the help of God and my wife, I see that I was only being a part of the problem. I mocked and condemned others who had not yet been awakened by our Father in Heaven. I had such a proud and arrogant way as to how I viewed those who should have the joy and privilege of discovering some of the beautiful things God is showing us all. I ask your forgiveness my brothers and sisters for thinking that I had arrived or was better than everyone else. I just want to learn and be kind, considerate, merciful and compassionate to those who are waking up and to everyone who He puts in my path.

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